tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11976534.post7813815966299843669..comments2023-10-23T14:02:52.339-06:00Comments on Dominican Idaho: Markhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02261197566240560777noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11976534.post-44126361911090581662008-09-10T14:32:00.000-06:002008-09-10T14:32:00.000-06:00Tom: The lack of censure is not the same as an end...Tom: <BR/>The lack of censure is not the same as an endorsement of orthodoxy.<BR/><BR/>I found this summary <A HREF="http://squach.blogspot.com/2005/05/what-was-cdf-up-to-for-past-20-years.html" REL="nofollow">here</A><BR/><BR/><BR/><B>-- Sept. 15, 1986: Notification on the book "The Church With a Human Face: A New and Expanded Theology of Ministry" by Dominican Father Edward Schillebeeckx, saying the book was "in disagreement with the teaching of the church," particularly regarding ordination and the possibility of lay people presiding at the Eucharist. However, the doctrinal congregation did not apply any penalties to the Belgian-born priest, who already had retired from teaching. </B><BR/><BR/><BR/>Here's a list of the CDF documents on Fr. Schillebeeckx; they do not appear to be online in English, however.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/doc_doc_index.htm" REL="nofollow">Notification on the book «Pleidooi voor mensen in de Kerk» (Nelissen, Baarn 1985) by prof. Edward Schillebeeckx, O.P., September 15, 1986<BR/><BR/><BR/>Letter to Father Edward Schillebeeckx regarding his book «Kerkelijk Ambt» («The ministry in the Church», 1980), June 13, 1984<BR/><BR/><BR/>Letter to Rev. Fr. Edward Schillebeeckx regarding his christological positions, November 20, 1980<BR/><BR/><BR/>Declaration regarding the dialogues with Rev. Fr. Edward Schillebeeckx on certain aspects of his doctrinal christology, December 13, 1979</A><BR/><BR/><BR/>in his 1970 book "Christ" he denies the resurrection of Christ as a real event, writing: <I>only we suffer from the crude and naive realism of what 'appearances of Jesus' cam t obe in the later tradition, through unfamiliarity with the distinctive character of the Jewish-biblical way of speaking</I><BR/><BR/>interesting discussion of this in "<A HREF="http://books.google.com/books?id=-Zh4Yf2YvxMC&pg=PA701&lpg=PA701&dq=schillebeeckx+notice&source=web&ots=Qsxz1jDLZS&sig=TxhZBctANSfdOxhMso4If9LyzGo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA702,M1" REL="nofollow">Christian Origins and the Question of God</A>"<BR/><BR/>Regarding the documents of Vatican II, Wikipedia (sourced) has:<BR/><BR/><I><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Schillebeeckx" REL="nofollow">Schillebeeckx admitted “we have used ambiguous phrases during the Council and we know how we will interpret them afterwards.” </A></I>Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02261197566240560777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11976534.post-27978361454332534312008-09-10T07:13:00.000-06:002008-09-10T07:13:00.000-06:00For what it's worth, the CDF has never censured Fr...For what it's worth, the CDF has never censured Fr. Schillebeeckx. (My own suspicion is that this is because nobody really understands what in blazes he's talking about.)<BR/><BR/>I do recommend his 1963 book <I>Christ the Sacrament of the Encounter with God</I>, and I don't remember anything objectionable in his "Old and New Style" essay. But I haven't been able to make head or tail out of the little I've seen of his from the 1970s on.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14850575419673561383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11976534.post-87861166716358762712008-09-08T21:56:00.000-06:002008-09-08T21:56:00.000-06:00Tom,Thought a bit more about what you said and the...Tom,<BR/><BR/>Thought a bit more about what you said and the answer is yes, we would. it is not necessary to destroy that which is in order to do something new; Like Thomas, who built seamlessly on the deposit of faith, so to the Third Order need not destroy itself in order to begin a new endeavor.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02261197566240560777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11976534.post-9160535494818875082008-09-08T16:34:00.000-06:002008-09-08T16:34:00.000-06:00I would call them the 'darks' of our age. Where A...I would call them the 'darks' of our age. Where Aquinas is literally 'ageless' these darks have one age, the 20th Century. This is the Century that G.K. Chesterton called the century of "uncommon nonsense." Boy, now that I think of it, if the 20th Century was uncommon nonsense, then what is the 21st Century? Maybe it will come to be known as the New Age of Faith!John Keenan, OPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07514688769709402691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11976534.post-47213387502151919672008-09-07T22:50:00.000-06:002008-09-07T22:50:00.000-06:00I have never actually read any Schillebeeckx and ...I have never actually read any Schillebeeckx and I don't think I want to...<BR/><BR/>Have fun at the weddingAdriennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01562944653624224107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11976534.post-91710263256514148042008-09-06T23:37:00.000-06:002008-09-06T23:37:00.000-06:00Hi, Tom!1. Yes he has.2. I know it's a rhetorical ...Hi, Tom!<BR/><BR/>1. Yes he has.<BR/><BR/>2. I know it's a rhetorical question, but you will notice I frequently post from Bp. Vasa's weekly editorials, and I also posted Fr. Vogt O.P.'s presentation to the LPC.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02261197566240560777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11976534.post-87304990735510271352008-09-05T08:31:00.000-06:002008-09-05T08:31:00.000-06:00Just to stir things up:Has Fr. Schillebeeckx been ...Just to stir things up:<BR/><BR/>Has Fr. Schillebeeckx been rebuked by the CDF, or censured?<BR/><BR/>In the "old style" Dominican Third Order, would we be blogging ourselves, or would we be copying Father's talks?Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14850575419673561383noreply@blogger.com